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Autor:  wixer [ 2011-03-10, 23:45 ]
Tytuł:  Jam

I came across the lovely expression 'jam' in an old Polish grammar book. I believe it comes from ja jestem - jam jest - jam and wondered if it can still be heard in Poland? :D

Autor:  Aelf [ 2011-03-11, 01:14 ]
Tytuł:  Re: Jam

You're right about the origin of "jam". Apart from "jestem", it could be used with, or rather instead of, other verbs:
- "Jam to zrobił" > "Ja to zrobiłem",
- "Jam to uczynił" > "Ja to uczyniłem",
- "Jam to kupił" > "Ja to kupiłem".

A similar expression is "tyś":
- "Tyś to wymyślił?" > "[Czy] ty to wymysliłeś?",

- "Myśmy wszystko zapomnieli" > "[My] wszystko zapomnieliśmy"

or "wyście".

The first two are all but extinct. You'll never come across them unless it's a piece of sophisticated literature. The last two are now thought of as belonging to some dialects or being spoken by rather uneducated people.

Autor:  wixer [ 2011-03-11, 01:42 ]
Tytuł:  Re: Jam

Thanks for such an interesting answer. It just shows how out of touch grammar books can be, because one of the more popular ones available in the UK, and there aren't that many Polish grammar books,makes the point that movable suffixes in the past tense are often encountered NP gdzie byłeś-' gdzieś był ? ' Byliśmy bardzo smutni - bardzośmy byli smutni . Długo czekałeś? - długoś czekał. itd

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